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I would like to start a conversation about backcountry sleep system for ""1 or two nights or Emergency situations"". Many of us find ourselves 2-4 miles or more into the backcountry when we take an animal (Elk, Mule Deer or Bear), even when hunting out of a basecamp. I personally never go into the backcountry without a plan to spend a night or two even if the trip is considered a day trip. Things happen! I have found myself with an animal down only two miles from camp, nightfall is coming fast and the hike out is NOT an easy one. In most cases I have found myself just electing to spend the night, get up in the morning and get it done. 90% of my hunting is done in the Northwest (think wilderness areas NOT desert or open country).
My current "Emergency" sleep system is planned around being able to save my life under some ugly conditions (snow, rain, 25-35deg. temps).
1) Alps Lynx 1 man freestanding double wall tent.
pros:
a) double wall bombproof will take a snow pack, high wind and rain.
b) "amazing" heat retention because of tent wall design + 2nd wall rainfly (tent walls are only partial mesh). I own two other 1 man tents that are lighter but do not retain heat like this little tent.
c) packs well.
d) free standing design.
cons:
a) Heavy for a one man tent/emergency shelter at 3lbs 4oz. (complete tent/fly/poles/MSR groundhog stakes).
2) Heavy duty emergency blanket/quilt (12oz)
3) goose down hooded jacket
4) oversize goose down pants (long enough to completely cover my feet and band the cuffs for heat retention).
Total system=5lbs 4oz.
As a total sleep system/Emergency/1-2 day system in possible "sh*t" weather is it worth going to a single wall system like a seek or basic single wall trekking pole shelter without a tent system (floor/walls)?
I see the trade offs in the weight you save on a shelter but it seems to be made up with a sleeping bag with windproof/resistant properties as most single wall shelter require venting (primarily at the base of the shelter). I could see wrapping yourself in an emergency blanket to keep the wind off and sleeping bag off the wet ground??? Heat retention could certainly be an issue with any sort of wind??? I certainly can see using a single wall shelter during summer months (I just carry a lightweight tarp during summer months myself) and I know people use them often for winter hunting in the backcountry (with stoves and so on which is a completely different topic).
Any of you who use a single wall like a Seek or other would be good to hear from. Total sleep system weights? Heat retention in cold climates, condensation and any other pros vs. cons. Would it be worth a 2lb weight savings under the conditions described above? I could also just shed 2lbs pretty quick by giving up a cheeseburger or two and not worry about it. Will I be gaining anything over my current sleep system or will I be giving up something other than weight??? $$$?
I would like to start a conversation about backcountry sleep system for ""1 or two nights or Emergency situations"". Many of us find ourselves 2-4 miles or more into the backcountry when we take an animal (Elk, Mule Deer or Bear), even when hunting out of a basecamp. I personally never go into the backcountry without a plan to spend a night or two even if the trip is considered a day trip. Things happen! I have found myself with an animal down only two miles from camp, nightfall is coming fast and the hike out is NOT an easy one. In most cases I have found myself just electing to spend the night, get up in the morning and get it done. 90% of my hunting is done in the Northwest (think wilderness areas NOT desert or open country).
My current "Emergency" sleep system is planned around being able to save my life under some ugly conditions (snow, rain, 25-35deg. temps).
1) Alps Lynx 1 man freestanding double wall tent.
pros:
a) double wall bombproof will take a snow pack, high wind and rain.
b) "amazing" heat retention because of tent wall design + 2nd wall rainfly (tent walls are only partial mesh). I own two other 1 man tents that are lighter but do not retain heat like this little tent.
c) packs well.
d) free standing design.
cons:
a) Heavy for a one man tent/emergency shelter at 3lbs 4oz. (complete tent/fly/poles/MSR groundhog stakes).
2) Heavy duty emergency blanket/quilt (12oz)
3) goose down hooded jacket
4) oversize goose down pants (long enough to completely cover my feet and band the cuffs for heat retention).
Total system=5lbs 4oz.
As a total sleep system/Emergency/1-2 day system in possible "sh*t" weather is it worth going to a single wall system like a seek or basic single wall trekking pole shelter without a tent system (floor/walls)?
I see the trade offs in the weight you save on a shelter but it seems to be made up with a sleeping bag with windproof/resistant properties as most single wall shelter require venting (primarily at the base of the shelter). I could see wrapping yourself in an emergency blanket to keep the wind off and sleeping bag off the wet ground??? Heat retention could certainly be an issue with any sort of wind??? I certainly can see using a single wall shelter during summer months (I just carry a lightweight tarp during summer months myself) and I know people use them often for winter hunting in the backcountry (with stoves and so on which is a completely different topic).
Any of you who use a single wall like a Seek or other would be good to hear from. Total sleep system weights? Heat retention in cold climates, condensation and any other pros vs. cons. Would it be worth a 2lb weight savings under the conditions described above? I could also just shed 2lbs pretty quick by giving up a cheeseburger or two and not worry about it. Will I be gaining anything over my current sleep system or will I be giving up something other than weight??? $$$?
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